1. New growth may need some time to get started. Its hardy & productive but late & poor to medium quality overall.” I’m wondering if the poor to medium quality problem isn’t so much genetics as it is that the figs are late? Are these trees indoors or protected? Here on the forum I read Brown Turkey is one of the worst tasting figs and RdB is much better tasting. Read the Anyone growing figs besides Brown Turkey and Celeste? "Fruit and Nuts: A Comprehensive Guide to the Cultivation, Uses, and Health Benefits of Over 300 Plants"; Susanna Lyle; 2006, "Vegetables, Herbs and Fruit: An Illustrated Enclyclopedia"; Matthew Biggs; 2009. It has the reputation of being bland. Here is my theory. an excerpt from an article by A.J. If it tastes good to you, it doesn’t matter what anyone else says about it. There has been some recent comments on the forums about the differences between Celeste and the Southern (or Southeastern) Brown Turkey. Talk about confusion. This is a work in progress. Vern's BT is its own thing - not really a 'Brown Turkey' in the sense that it isn't part of any of the established groups. If you plant in a container to keep indoors, place your Brown Turkey Fig Tree by a large sunny window. Although the fig will sprout new shoots from the roots in spring, fruit is generally produced on 2-year-old growth. Root constriction limits top growth, but promotes fruit formation. Celeste is a fast growing fig with a shrub like form, reaching 10 to 15 feet tall. It ripened its main a little later than "usual" when I left all the breba on. It took years to figure them out. If no brebas, back to the scrap heap. Hopefully I'll be able to compare the three categories next summer. Figs are dark purplish brown, with sweet red pulp. It is hardy to 0 degrees, but will freeze back to the ground in colder temperatures. Although they display a surprising amount of cold tolerance, harsh weather severely limits fruit production and growth. How does that fit in the sceme of things. Just like another type. Condit’s text seems tp explain this uncharacteristic lapse. Sure! The best varieties for Florida are Celeste, brown turkey, Green Ischia, and Jelly. It’s interesting that after his European imports failed, Condit brought in European BTs from the south. Brown turkey fig can reach heights of 20 feet or more, but the tree responds well to pruning, so there’s no need to let it get so large. So I took it out to make place for cutting season. If it produces any breba next summer that are good, it can stay. What makes Brown Turkey even more unusual for a temperate fig is the size of its fruit, which can measure up to 3 inches in diameter. That’s why I’m trying to re-program the EBTs to produce brebas. Bullard and other experienced growers in the south thought there were enough important differences between Celeste and Southern Brown Turkey to consider them different varieties even though there are many similarities. It becomes an edible fruit, 4 in. Radium Springs, NM. Good question. Planting: Plant your Brown Turkey Fig in an area that receives full to partial sunlight (4 to 8 hours of sun daily). She has more than 15 years of experience in the nursery industry and landscaping, and three years of horticulture at South Puget Sound Community College. I added a picture with breba. Celeste figs are very sweet, with dark skins and reddish flesh. One of the most important was differing hardiness. I’m also trying to re-program or re-set other late figs which if successful would allow a wider range of figs to be grown in short season areas. Brown Turkey and Celeste. Best to grow it out and see how you like it. Fruit tastes richer and smoother than most other hardy types. Good luck and let us no what they say about it. It’s a big fig. If we grow the EBT for breba, does it mean we remove all the figlets of the main crop as soon as they emerge? The California Brown Turkey is very common and most “Brown Turkey” trees for sale outside of the south are California Brown Turkey. Lien began writing in 2009 for various websites. What category is it? Both taste good and sweet. After the last frost in spring, uncover the fig. When I see photos of Celeste the fruit is usually amber in color. My cali bts vary as i had some early but most are slow & hesitant to ripen here, WNC zone 7a at the intersection of Mt Pisgah & the Blue Ridge Parkway. I had a EBT under growing light until yesterday, I think it was already to far ahead towards dormancy to ripen its main crop. The english bts are late- breba split easily but main seem more sturdy & less prone to split given our dryer autumns here, even in smoky mtn daily fog. If that question is directed at me - they are in a very large greenhouse at this nursery. New growth in the spring will often still produce a fruit crop, but for reliable fig production, protect the tree in winter. The source I got them from probably had them since around 1960. But I've never really given it much thought. Sometimes it’s a huge fig - this one was 5.8 oz (164 gms). There’s a guy there who is supposed to know more about the fruiting trees/plants, he might know more. Heavy producer: Large: Excellent tree ripened quality: Celeste: Brown to violet with pink pulp: One crop: Small pear-shaped with long stock: Widely grown in south. If all you have are brown turkeys and you want dessert, drizzle them with honey and run them under the broiler for a moment until the sizzle and bubble, or use them to make fig bread . I do not taste so mutch difference. Second-crop figs, greenish to purple with pink pulp. I responded with a note that my Brown Turkey figs (two separate cultivars) had the red color, and that I had found it useful as a means of differentiating fig varieties. Although they display a surprising amount of cold tolerance, harsh weather severely limits fruit production and growth. I believe the Brown Turkey is more popular fig than the Celeste. I have a "black celeste" cutting on order. For varieties like Brown Turkey, Chicago Hardy, Celeste, and LSU Purple, the color will change from green to brown or purple as the fruit ripens. All Rights Reserved. Hardy Chicago is by far the most reliable variety for zone 5 areas. These are all also referred to as members of the Common Fig family. I had consigned both my Bornholm trees to the cull area before Friday night's deep freeze (got down to 16F). I guess I have at least one of each group. I think we are missing something by not comparing how the same cultivar from the same source grows in different locations and in different years. They trunk under ground. Breba production is another characteristic that sets them apart, not to mention the size difference of typical fruit. It makes sense if it is the latter. This didn’t work very well with most of these varieties. On the other hand, no one who has seen California Brown Turkey and Celeste together would ever confuse them with each other. After the last frost in spring, uncover the fig. Another unexpected wrinkle was that these figs are grown for the breba crop in Europe rather than the main crop. This year after heavy pruning it produced a heavy breba crop and then the main crop stalled – only two ripened. A post from a European fig grower venting about a scam by a European nursery brought me to the realization that they were here – just under the radar. - from the Bullard article If spring temperatures have been unseasonably warm, leaves may already be sprouting. Halligan- Here's a previous post on Hanc's EBT: I have a Vern’s BT . My late figs – with very few exceptions – don’t have the quality of the earlier ripening ones. English Brown Turkey routinely handles cold winter temperature extremes and continues to fruit during the growing season. 5.00 each and non winter hardy plants various prices.Figs- brown turkey, celeste, and chicago har But it was plain from winter pictures of LaRadek grown in Czechoslovakia. Yes you must be right its def a factor i hadnt considered. Figs often have a first (breba) crop that may be mediocre depending on weather/late frost, but often a poor breba will be "backed up" by a second generation bumper crop. You can also grow and overwinter figs in pots. It will be a lot easier if pushing the tree to produce a big breba crop drives the main crop late enough to stop main crop figs ripening! These are okay. Celeste Fig - Ficus carica; A brown fig, rich and sweet. Pruning is recommended only during the initial years when trees should be trained according to the use of fruit, such as a low crown for fresh-market figs. But those southern growers knew their stuff and I trust that Bullard was seeing what he described. Luckily, there are some easy and effective ways to avoid the problem. Ill keep it no matter what, because of my mother. I’ll report back what I find out. Alice: St. Louis, MO zone 6b, new at figs. I have gotten heavy breba production from one of my EBT (eastern?) This gallery has 3 photos. Some beauties miss the mark. All times are GMT-5. This year i got my first RdB and was disappointment. I'm located in the Netherlands and growing European Brown Turkey, which here is known simply as Brown Turkey. They are milder in flavor and less sweet than the Black Mission fig. I had Bayernfeige Violetta, and after it was identified as European Brown Turkey, I realized I actually had several others: Black Fig #1. The three most common cold hardy fig varieties are Chicago, Celeste and English Brown Turkey. Condit mentioned Mosaic Virus on the plants he brought to California. Growing techniques and winter protection will allow certain fig trees to grow successfully in zone 5. An excellent smaller fig with purple brown skin and light pink pulp. I find it hard to believe that the "Eastern" version is different from the "Southern" version. It was nowhere to be found in the US. Cover with a layer of plastic, then one of burlap or canvas. long (10 cm), at first green, but purplish when ripe. Was Bullard comparing Celeste and Southern brown turkey or Celeste and Brown Turkey? Taste is good, very sweet. I found with LaRadek that if I allowed it to ripen main crop figs, it did not give a heavy breba crop. > >My problem is that I'm convinced, looking at fruit and >characteristics (this is a huge quantity of very young stock), that >we've been sent Celeste as Brown Turkey and vice-versa. But familiarity with this variety seemed to fade as the “old timers” who “knew their stuff” like Paul Starnes passed. The SBT celeste varieties share harvest dates as “august bearing”. Figue d'Automne or Celeste, listed by Ballon (1692), and Liger (1702), as bearing fruit which may remain on the tree during the winter and mature in the spring, is apparently a different variety. The least affected by virus are Sweet George and LaRadek. Overwintering figs will grow easier as the trees age and develop more cold tolerance. This loss of knowledge is distressing - we had to re-learn every generation. Celeste (Blue Celeste, Celestial, and Little Brown Sugar) cultivar is probably the second most common fig in the southeastern United States, after Brown Turkey (Brunswick, Eastern Brown Turkey, Har­rison, Lees Perpetual, Ramsey, Texas Everbearing). They were also maybe a bit smaller. Celeste is almost as widely grown as Brown Turkey. The Celeste Fig (Ficus Carica ‘Celestial’), also known in the south as the “sugar fig” is a cold hardy variety recommended for zones 7-11.A smaller tree, reaching a mature height and width of 5-10 feet, it’s great for small yards or can be potted. Its enjoyable. Southern Brown Turkey and Celeste are very similar – and probably related – but they are definitely different varieties. Since light is not an issue when the trees are dormant, a garage or a basement is a good storage spot. Common Figs are self-fertile and there are many, many varieties varying in taste color and growth habit. Growing: Brown Turkey, Ronde de Bordeaux, Hardy Chicago, Dottato, Michurinska-10. Move the pots indoors with the on-set of cold weather to a cool, sheltered place. Zone 5 low temperatures average around -15 degrees, which will kill these plants to the ground. discussion from the Chowhound Gardening, Turkey food community. And you’re right – you pretty much can’t tell Celeste and Southern Brown Turkey apart. Plan the perfect garden with our interactive tool →, National Arboretum: USDA Plant Hardiness Zones. ture Celeste trees heavily because this can re-duce the crop. Greenish brown: Two crops: Small: Good: Brown Turkey: Light with large, purple figs. What began as a lifelong gardening fixation turned into a career for Jean Lien. (Neither - Hanc’s EBT isn’t a Brown Turkey at all - but Hanc Matheis, Left Hanc’s EBT, Right Eastern (Southern) Brown Turkey, So really knowledgeable fig folk were flummoxed. Bronze Paradiso (Dusan), Corragio (Bijar), German (Bass), LaRadek; MRE, and Sweet George. This article will help with identifying sour figs and managing fig sour rot. As for the rest – I have to agree that I don’t see a lot of it. Copyright Leaf Group Ltd. // Leaf Group Lifestyle. $15 each and $25 each Manfredia $15 to $35 each PALM sabal minor is native to Oklahoma, therefore, winter hardy. Although the wood of Brown Turkey is not as cold hardy as that of Celeste, after a severe freeze, suckers will usually develop from the roots to form a new plant. Although relatively cold hardy, 'Celeste' usually does not produce abundant fruit in years where winter injury is sustained. I have always left them on, hoping they might ripen, and then taken them off during dormancy. I hope this helps dispel some of the confusion over “Brown Turkeys”. Build a framework of wood, wire or bamboo around the fig, and pack mulch into the space between the frame and the tree. Hardy Chicago figs are rather small but very sweet, and the harvest is usually large. Haha, thats the main crop that does no ripen in our zones. Bunyard and Thomas state that Malta ''is in all respects like Brown Turkey except in the shape of the fruits, which are shorter and of peg-top shape.'' Its very sweet and good tasting. Condit lists “Long Naples” as a synonym for European (English) Brown Turkey. When EBT breba its all you know, than its the best fig there is. If I were in your situation, I’d not take the effort maybe, although it is a tree you could put in ground without protection, thats also worth something. Noted for its cold-hardiness, Ficus carica 'Brown Turkey' (Fig) is a large deciduous shrub or small tree with a spreading crown clothed in bold, deeply lobed leaves. Also maybe SBT is the same as "Black" or "Blue" Celeste. The Brown Turkey is a large fig with an "open" eye and not as sweet. in pots. Brown Turkey figs work well in salads, where their lighter sweetness is a welcome contrast, or in desserts where an additional sweetener will be used. Glad its good! Sight Go by the color. Figs- brown turkey, celeste, and chicago hardy Figs - gallon sized plants $15 each larger $25 and $35 each Kiwi male and female (1 male to 6 female) strong vine plants needs arbor to grow on. After four to five years, you can leave the fig unprotected. Celeste is called "Little Sugar Fig" but mine isn't "little" (compared to Dakota) and this year the Brown Turkey is sweeter. some consider it EBT, others don't. You're right - I've seen many variations within a variety too. and there’s some fresh pineapple and several people are saying how good it is when it’s pretty darned bland and I’m thinking obviously they have never had a ripe pineapple before. Mutch Dutch people like them. In the United States the least known of the BTs are the European BTs. For the first few years, shelter fig trees. Celeste is a fast growing fig with a shrub like form, reaching 10 to 15 feet tall. (062) Brown Turkey is another variety that can be planted in this area. But it certainly does with the breba crop. I have Bornholm (aka Bornholm's Diamond, aka Nexoe) which is an European Brown Turkey. It’s really odd, but the camera “sees” the difference when the naked eye does not. I rather have 100 “bad tasting” EBT, while waiting for other varieties to become productive. Hardy Chicago ripens its figs from August until fall frost and will have some fruit in July. Black mission figs are a deep blue-purple color on the outside with a pink flesh inside, are known for their sweetness, and often ooze a syrupy substance. Where does Texas Everbearing fit into all of this? At this height, you can easily harvest the figs without a ladder. Brown Turkey Figs also prefer well-drained soil, though they are adaptable to a number of different soil types. We are in New England and have a very short season. Young fig trees require regular watering, but once established they become highly drought tolerant. The figs in this composite of pictures (taken from the websites of 18 different European nurseries two days ago) were all referred to as 'Brown Turkey'. https://www.scribd.com/document/2485...es-A-Monograph, https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...bt-new-mystery, https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...with-id-please. Bullard in the Southern Fruit Fellowship newsletter in post # 9 of this thread : But most of the time the eye scales are identical. Often if virus laden figs can be pushed hard enough, they “out-grow” the worst of the virus symptoms. It is in a sheltered position and the bottom part of the trunk gets mulched before winter. Maybe that is the same as SBT? Well, I’ll go back and look at them again. Good points! Celeste figs have a sweet, caramel-like flavor and are … The southern growers were familiar with the European (English) BT, though it probably wasn’t widely grown because of the mosaic problems. We know Celeste has the closed eye and brown turkey has opened eye. I find the taste pleasant and sweet. Bullard stated "It so happens that the two fig varieties most commonly grown east of the Mississippi are the two most confused..." He was comparing Celeste and. Vancouver, WA Z 8b, soon to be Austin, TX Z 8b (Bring the heat!). 'Texas Everbearing' (aka 'Brown Turkey', 'Ramsey', 'Everbearing'), while not quite as cold hardy as 'Celeste' , will produce a fair to good crop on new Supposedly zone 8a, but my severe frost pocket makes it more like 7a. The European trees were imported several times but did not do well in California. So, I’m going with similar – but different – varieties. It has a number of nicknames, a common one is "honey fig". Vern's BT was "discovered" relatively recently by Vern Nelson of Portland, OR. That was a huge surprise. BEST ANSWER: Steve, a fig novice here (Brown Turkey, Celeste, Chicago Hardy). I have been taking off figs that looked like they were close to ripening on other trees. Figs are dark purplish brown, with sweet red pulp. SBT is darker. Cheers! Novice fig grower in The Netherlands (Oceanic climate, Zone 7b). “The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. It's a small fig. Tie down securely to protect against high winds. Celeste or Malta fig trees typically keep their root systems more or less contained, larger trees such as the brown turkey fig trees have more of a tendency to dominate a space. Here they are clockwise from upper left: California Brown Turkey, European (English) Brown Turkey, and Eastern (Southern) Brown Turkey, As you can see they are very different. That didn’t make sense with the main crop figs. Good for potted culture, although it is our most dependable outdoor fig. I don't want >to use any of this for propagation or sales until I've got them >straightened out...that is how these mistakes get continued in the >industry. 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